Science Gossip Talk
This is #folded
Wow - that is the first really blurry image that I have seen from BHL. Glad it's a title page!
Hi @NotAaron - welcome
Brilliant!
This is what you get for researching and transcribing hundreds of handwritten Victorian letters!
This is printed - they often add litographic signatures to portraits like this. And it reads "Yours very truly, Joseph Prestwich"
Looks like the Annals were a bit more forgiving - http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/22248240#page/392/mode/1up
Awesome, thanks!
Wow, pretty harsh! Gotta love the anonymity of the Victorian periodical - almost as bad as modern internet trolls!
Love it! Where did you see that the name was wrong @PinkPimpernel? W. Ayrton was the husband of a famous female scientist, Hertha Ayrton
Ha, brilliant!
#female ?
Very cool!
Getting so close to finishing Gardiner's Magazine! And look at all these lovely engravings!
Hmm, not sure I see it. Though it is a beautiful tree!
Bemrose and Sons were photographic printers in Derby - especially collotypes - so think this is a safe bet.
#oldweather
Wonderful catch - this is very useful evidence of the errors in publication
#blank
Originally a photograph as well - what my previous research was all about!
#handwriting
Me too! Looks like an archaeological map to me
Absolutely!
Typically, they just reuse a woodblock they have already printed that year
Hi @yshish, yeah this one would count as no illustration, as it is embellishment for the preface to a volume.
Love how journals use space in different ways depending on the needs of the image. Need to show the full size? Run the image down the margin
#figurelegend
It is still quite useful as it will allow us to make a comparison in illustration between two copies of the same volume.
Both of which have been uploaded from different libraries. While it's going to feel like duplicated work
So, the reason this is duplicated is because on the BHL database we actually have two different copies of vol. 1 of Botany Miscellany
The rectangles are helpful as they show generally on the page where the image is - but we don't need absolute precision like penguin watch,
You can include the caption if it makes the box easier to encompass the whole image.
What a great example of the necessity of a community!
#citizenscientists
Very lovely!
on these pages we usually mark them on talk as #blank
I love these kinds of illustrations - it shows just how muddled late victorian image printing technologies really were!
I would guess it is a case of historical spelling, but I will leave that up to the botany experts here!
Scientific Name: Ilex Paraguanyensis, Common Name: Yerba Mate, Printer: Hippolyte Bailliere
This is a flower described by Robert Schomburgk - the famous traveller who found the massive watery lily (Victoria Regia).
#colour
Pretty cool Saxon iron objects
Yeah, definitely a BAS under the tree on the right hand side. Sneaky
No, just a really nice printers imprint. Thanks for asking though @yshish!
I would go with Jules' suggestion. Seems a very good chance that is it.
Yeah, that's a tough one. I would be inclined to say Mansley, Printer, 8 Wellington St, Strand. Awesome illustration though.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133720229@N08/shares/445f8Y
And I have seen these images in their pre-engraved form! Will try to post a picture of the original drawings if anyone is interested
I first came across these images while doing research in the NHM archives - we have a volume of original drawings made for Science Gossip
My favourite part of doing this research - this page, which I just got given randomly, is one I have come across before.
Wonder if we could put both on #dailyzoo?
Absolutely brilliant! And 8 years apart by two separate authors. This definitely warrants some further investigation
My guess would be W. Bidgood
Would be interesting to get the whole alphabet - to see how each letter was engraved
So they made woodblocks for each letter of the alphabet - which they would be able to use whenever needed.
Indeed! Very early on Hardwicke's Science Gossip started to have engraved Initials for each new issue.
Mintern Bros are the Printers, B.N Peach the artist and F.H. Michael the lithographer
Yep, definitely looks like Worthing G. Smith!
Great job rrpbgeek! One illustration is right JANEJ - as it would be impossible to draw square frames around each.
Very glad to not have to drink Victorian water!
Great sleuthing rrpbgeek!
Ah, I think we have it. I had thought it looked like a 'S' as well. If the BM confirms a Graf and Soret, then that must be it.
I was able to look at an original copy, and I think it is Graf and Jorez
#orchidobservers
One of the more cruel punishments in English custom for being a woman - this case the accused was an excessive 'scold'
That's just fine JANEJ - the rectangle box for the image is mostly used as a marker, so it ok if some text sneaks in
Amazing job @rrpbgeek!!
Amazing!
Oh, brilliant! Very timely too!!
Always great to find female artists!
These are great examples of the mixture between photos and engraving in the 19th c. Portraits especially were often made 'from photographs'
#cover
Map of Avebury Circle!
#folded
Yup - would say this is a map for sure
@ssgirls they are definitely referring back to the prev article - so #historicataxonomy would be very helpful
@jules that # sounds good!
#twwood
Great! My bet is you will find this image again in the same volume too - as this is the end of a volume preface.
It's likely that the same image was used twice in a publication. If you are unsure, you can check the pages you have done under 'profile'
That is George Edward Massee - this website is very useful if you can't figure out the artist's name - www.uni-stuttgart.de/hi/gnt/dsi2/
A brilliant example of a journal re-using the same woodblock. In this case, three years later! These are very useful if you find more
#OldWeather
#photography
That's a hard one!
#colourplate
In this case I would call the whole thing an image - without inscription. Very interesting case, though!
Wow! Pretty amazing.
That is perfect Klmnj - the more information the better! Thanks for taking the time to look at the other pages. Great work!!
amazing - definitely #dailyzoo
#bookcover - actually one of the prettier ones I have seen.
#blank #folded
This is actually page 1, vol 1 of Science Gossip! Great find
This does indeed look like a bad scan, but is actually just the lining page for one of the volumes.
#figurelegend is the hashtag we are using to collect illustration information for future use
You can use the original source button to navigate to the next page to find the description
See http://talk.sciencegossip.org/#/boards/BSC0000008/discussions/DSC000007h?page=1&comment_id=54f9b469cf04414a000005b9
For the following page, you can click the go to original button, which brings you to the BHL document where you can go to the next page
Geological data is exactly right - this is part of the 'Underground Geology of London'
That is exactly what it is! Part of the reason some pages are #blank because they bleed through to other pages
You can use #blank for these pages
this is #blank - the phantom image is the imprint of the title page for recreative science is printed on the opposite side
The article was published in the March 1888 issue, so it's pretty safe to assume they were referring to Aug 1877. Maybe OldWeather can help?
Looks like some brilliant spectroscopic bands!
Marking them as one image is just fine - but if you can add as much information from the text that would be ideal
You can draw a rectangle around the whole page, however if you could give names for each of the individual illustrations with the tagging
This is #folded
Wow - that is the first really blurry image that I have seen from BHL. Glad it's a title page!
Hi @NotAaron - welcome
Brilliant!
This is what you get for researching and transcribing hundreds of handwritten Victorian letters!
This is printed - they often add litographic signatures to portraits like this.
And it reads "Yours very truly, Joseph Prestwich"
Looks like the Annals were a bit more forgiving - http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/22248240#page/392/mode/1up
Awesome, thanks!
Wow, pretty harsh! Gotta love the anonymity of the Victorian periodical - almost as bad as modern internet trolls!
Love it! Where did you see that the name was wrong @PinkPimpernel? W. Ayrton was the husband of a famous female scientist, Hertha Ayrton
Ha, brilliant!
#female ?
Very cool!
Getting so close to finishing Gardiner's Magazine! And look at all these lovely engravings!
Hmm, not sure I see it. Though it is a beautiful tree!
Bemrose and Sons were photographic printers in Derby - especially collotypes - so think this is a safe bet.
#oldweather
Wonderful catch - this is very useful evidence of the errors in publication
#blank
Originally a photograph as well - what my previous research was all about!
#blank
#handwriting
#blank
#blank
Me too! Looks like an archaeological map to me
Absolutely!
Typically, they just reuse a woodblock they have already printed that year
Hi @yshish, yeah this one would count as no illustration, as it is embellishment for the preface to a volume.
Very cool!
Love how journals use space in different ways depending on the needs of the image. Need to show the full size? Run the image down the margin
#figurelegend
It is still quite useful as it will allow us to make a comparison in illustration between two copies of the same volume.
Both of which have been uploaded from different libraries. While it's going to feel like duplicated work
So, the reason this is duplicated is because on the BHL database we actually have two different copies of vol. 1 of Botany Miscellany
#figurelegend
The rectangles are helpful as they show generally on the page where the image is - but we don't need absolute precision like penguin watch,
You can include the caption if it makes the box easier to encompass the whole image.
What a great example of the necessity of a community!
#citizenscientists
Very lovely!
on these pages we usually mark them on talk as #blank
I love these kinds of illustrations - it shows just how muddled late victorian image printing technologies really were!
I would guess it is a case of historical spelling, but I will leave that up to the botany experts here!
Scientific Name: Ilex Paraguanyensis, Common Name: Yerba Mate, Printer: Hippolyte Bailliere
This is a flower described by Robert Schomburgk - the famous traveller who found the massive watery lily (Victoria Regia).
#blank
#colour
Pretty cool Saxon iron objects
Yeah, definitely a BAS under the tree on the right hand side. Sneaky
No, just a really nice printers imprint. Thanks for asking though @yshish!
I would go with Jules' suggestion. Seems a very good chance that is it.
Yeah, that's a tough one. I would be inclined to say Mansley, Printer, 8 Wellington St, Strand. Awesome illustration though.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/133720229@N08/shares/445f8Y
And I have seen these images in their pre-engraved form! Will try to post a picture of the original drawings if anyone is interested
I first came across these images while doing research in the NHM archives - we have a volume of original drawings made for Science Gossip
My favourite part of doing this research - this page, which I just got given randomly, is one I have come across before.
Wonder if we could put both on #dailyzoo?
Absolutely brilliant! And 8 years apart by two separate authors. This definitely warrants some further investigation
My guess would be W. Bidgood
Would be interesting to get the whole alphabet - to see how each letter was engraved
So they made woodblocks for each letter of the alphabet - which they would be able to use whenever needed.
Indeed! Very early on Hardwicke's Science Gossip started to have engraved Initials for each new issue.
Mintern Bros are the Printers, B.N Peach the artist and F.H. Michael the lithographer
Yep, definitely looks like Worthing G. Smith!
Great job rrpbgeek!
One illustration is right JANEJ - as it would be impossible to draw square frames around each.
Very glad to not have to drink Victorian water!
Great sleuthing rrpbgeek!
Ah, I think we have it. I had thought it looked like a 'S' as well. If the BM confirms a Graf and Soret, then that must be it.
I was able to look at an original copy, and I think it is Graf and Jorez
#orchidobservers
One of the more cruel punishments in English custom for being a woman - this case the accused was an excessive 'scold'
#figurelegend
#blank
That's just fine JANEJ - the rectangle box for the image is mostly used as a marker, so it ok if some text sneaks in
Amazing job @rrpbgeek!!
Amazing!
Oh, brilliant! Very timely too!!
Very cool!
Always great to find female artists!
These are great examples of the mixture between photos and engraving in the 19th c. Portraits especially were often made 'from photographs'
#cover
Map of Avebury Circle!
#blank
#oldweather
#folded
#blank
#oldweather
#blank
Yup - would say this is a map for sure
@ssgirls they are definitely referring back to the prev article - so #historicataxonomy would be very helpful
@jules that # sounds good!
#twwood
Great! My bet is you will find this image again in the same volume too - as this is the end of a volume preface.
It's likely that the same image was used twice in a publication. If you are unsure, you can check the pages you have done under 'profile'
That is George Edward Massee - this website is very useful if you can't figure out the artist's name - www.uni-stuttgart.de/hi/gnt/dsi2/
A brilliant example of a journal re-using the same woodblock. In this case, three years later! These are very useful if you find more
#OldWeather
#folded
#blank
#photography
That's a hard one!
#colourplate
#blank
In this case I would call the whole thing an image - without inscription. Very interesting case, though!
Wow! Pretty amazing.
That is perfect Klmnj - the more information the better! Thanks for taking the time to look at the other pages. Great work!!
amazing - definitely #dailyzoo
#blank
#figurelegend
#photography
#photography
#blank
#bookcover - actually one of the prettier ones I have seen.
#oldweather
#oldweather
#blank
#blank #folded
#blank
#folded
#blank #folded
#figurelegend
#figurelegend
This is actually page 1, vol 1 of Science Gossip! Great find
This does indeed look like a bad scan, but is actually just the lining page for one of the volumes.
#figurelegend is the hashtag we are using to collect illustration information for future use
You can use the original source button to navigate to the next page to find the description
See http://talk.sciencegossip.org/#/boards/BSC0000008/discussions/DSC000007h?page=1&comment_id=54f9b469cf04414a000005b9
For the following page, you can click the go to original button, which brings you to the BHL document where you can go to the next page
Geological data is exactly right - this is part of the 'Underground Geology of London'
That is exactly what it is! Part of the reason some pages are #blank because they bleed through to other pages
You can use #blank for these pages
this is #blank - the phantom image is the imprint of the title page for recreative science is printed on the opposite side
The article was published in the March 1888 issue, so it's pretty safe to assume they were referring to Aug 1877. Maybe OldWeather can help?
Looks like some brilliant spectroscopic bands!
Marking them as one image is just fine - but if you can add as much information from the text that would be ideal
You can draw a rectangle around the whole page, however if you could give names for each of the individual illustrations with the tagging